Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jungkook

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The result was delete. — ξ ^xplicit 04:44, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jungkook[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. No evidence of notability,this is the third or fourth time a page for this person is being deleted and while it seems to be different from the last version I saw nothing has changed in the time since that page was removed to have made this person individually notable.he just was guest in one or a few episodes in some variety shows and a member of web variety show his songwriter work is for his band BTS he has not his own song without any chart he has not any notable work delete this page and redirect to BTS.(Toomass (talk) 10:11, 13 August 2016 (UTC))[reply]

Delete redirect and protect. Per WP:NMUSIC, group members with no notability outside the band are redirected to the band's page. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 16:24, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think he has established quite a notable presence other than BTS. His variety appearances actually have some importance, especially his recent 'King of Masked Singer' appearance, which his songs were actually released on Melon, which actually counts as a song that could be counted on the chart and therefore counts as one of the criteria on Wikipedia's notability guideline. Also wouldn't his collaborations with other artists count as his own solo work other than BTS, as these songs don't count as work under BTS. I'm not really sure why this page keeps getting deleted as he has a lot more notability than other Kpop idols who have their own wikipedia page, and I do not mean this to offend in any way. The other members besides Rapmonster do not have wikipedia pages themselves and I say that is fair but Jungkook has been increasingly showing his notability nowadays. A lot of "new" fans want to learn about him so this page would be a good way for them to get to know him. Also under WP:ENT I see that he fulfills the "2. Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following" and also "1.Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.", especially with his recent appearances which are pretty notable. Hahahey568 (talk) 20:45, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete. no notable solo work in his career he was just guest in some varity show no cast member,no drama ,no own song (even kim taehyung "other BTS member" that has more variety appearance and acting in drama is not notable yet) his solo work is not notable enough for separate wikipedia page.redirect and protect.(Shin hi (talk) 14:35, 15 August 2016 (UTC))[reply]
Delete. A bunch of variety show appearances don't make a person notable. I note that Hahahey568 appears to be turning a lot of pages into fan pages, judging from the addition of songwriting credits for a lot of these kinds of artists, and from non-neutral and inflated headings such as "2015-Present: Recognition With BTS and Variety Show Appearances" in this particular article. Return to the redirect. BTW, I didn't see this AfD until after I removed those credits; I was led here because I just redirected Suga (singer), a very similar case, back to the main article. For fan base and all that, there is simply no evidence that he has a fan base apart from his band's fan base. And none of those roles are of course significant in any real way; they are just appearances on show programs which frequently are vehicles of the entertainment companies that own the bands. Drmies (talk) 16:39, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. Random86 (talk) 17:11, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Random86 (talk) 17:11, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as was the case with Minzy's page before, just because a member is popular does not mean they need a separate page. Peachywink (talk) 00:57, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Although I do see that those petitioning for Delete do have valid points, I'd like to point something out. While BTS (admittedly, Jungkook is their most popular member) have a very large international following, they do even more so in Korea. I think a lot of people are forgetting that, just because he has made "appearances on show programmes" which don't seem very "notable" for international fans, I lived briefly in Korea a few years ago for a student exchange, and popularity works very very differently over there. K-Pop idols in themselves are the equivalent of our A-List celebrities. So, very popular or well-known people such as G-Dragon are Korea's equivalent popularity-wise to say maybe Sam Smith or Miley Cyrus (although I'm not comparing the artists themselves, mind, simply the popularity scale). So while these appearances may seem insignificant, they carry a lot more meaning in Korea. I'm not saying that those asking for delete are wrong necessarily, as they are valid points, I'm just merely stating that things are very different in Korea and this should be taken into account when it comes to the pages of celebrities from non-English speaking countries. - Cora Quinn — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.61.165.36 (talk) 07:59, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete no evidence of notability,Due to wekipedia's standard page for living people he does not have any solo work to need separate page in wikipedia,,,, to BTS's fans and non-wikipedia users:wikipedia is not a fanpage that you create article just for kpop fans for enjoy,he is not popular if he was, he must have many solo work just like EXO and BOGBANG members even BTS member V,i can not find any notable work in his career,delete and protect.(1chinchin (talk) 11:39, 23 August 2016 (UTC))[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Nomination was never properly listed at WP:AFD/Today.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — ξ ^xplicit 06:39, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete No solo work, nothing notable. Information is nothing that of a fan page rather than an informative wikipedia article. Keep argument is nothing more than a fan trying to argue for it to remain but references idols such as G-Dragon who do have a strong solo presence. He may be an idol but he has no notable solo work and therefore does not require a solo page. Popularity ≠ requiring an individual page. Delete and protect. 217.42.59.250 (talk) 23:27, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete how many times this page was deleted and created again? he is not notable yet without any notable solo work,delete and protect (Pikhmikh (talk) 02:18, 1 September 2016 (UTC))[reply]
Keep He has established notability outside his band. He has had appearances on notable shows without his band (King of Masked Singer and host for MBC Music Core) as well as a strong fanbase. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 19jshi (talk • contribs) 02:15, 4 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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